The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

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Caelic
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The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by Caelic » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:17 pm

Been meaning to post this for awhile and I don't have much time to so I pasted a convo w/ Kjeldoran down below. TL;DR the self-SC with the TP gained was really nice. Please revert Spirit Link and instead nerf the real issue which is wyvern doing too much damage to stuff higher than EM.

Kjeldoran01/24/2019
im very sad i cant do that combo anymore
Church01/24/2019
Skewer -> Spirit Link -> Penta Thrust -> Compression you mean?
Kjeldoran01/24/2019
yea
it rivaled SAM for a while there
and now i feel like itll pale in comparison outside of exp parties
wyvern still feels like its autoattacks are strong though
when i say it rivaled SAM i just mean i felt like i could play it and not suck
in comparison
Church01/24/2019
yeah i'd trade weaker wyvern for my combo back lol
Kjeldoran01/24/2019
since SAM is so dominant
Church01/24/2019
maybe ill make a post about it on the forum when iget home or something
the combo felt really nice
Kjeldoran01/24/2019
yea it was really a blast to do
Church01/24/2019
yeah lol ^^
Kjeldoran01/24/2019
it was fun and like you posted it gave us options to gameplay and another WS besides bland penta spam
Church01/24/2019
exactly
penta penta penta...
Kjeldoran01/24/2019
yea man
Church01/24/2019
wheeling thrust has the coolest goddamn animation of any ws in the game
shame its useless lol
Kjeldoran01/24/2019
i agree
well
at least i can COR soon
i hope all of its abilities work
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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by Aneyus » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:37 pm

Spirit Link didn't give TP to the Dragoon until 2010 anyway, that should probably be removed ;)

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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by serephim » Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:21 am

DRG is arguably the strongest DPS in the game in EXP parties even without Spirit Link TP return. I never got to use this at all as I didn't know it existed when I leveled DRG to 75. Obviously the use for DRG falls off somewhat in end game though because pet's are seen largely as a liability and TP feed. But I wouldn't say wheeling thrust is useless. /THF it does good damage especially making light.

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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by Caelic » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:07 am

serephim wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:21 am
DRG is arguably the strongest DPS in the game in EXP parties even without Spirit Link TP return.
That's kind of why I was suggesting we nerf something else about DRG and put Spirit Link back in the game because Spirit Link was actually fun.
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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by serephim » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:39 pm

Caelic wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:07 am
serephim wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:21 am
DRG is arguably the strongest DPS in the game in EXP parties even without Spirit Link TP return.
That's kind of why I was suggesting we nerf something else about DRG and put Spirit Link back in the game because Spirit Link was actually fun.
I totally agree. That does sound like a lot of fun. Sekkanoki is also really fun for SAM too, but I doubt we will ever get that and it was a 2007 ability. :(

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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by Caelic » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:06 pm

serephim wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:39 pm
Caelic wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:07 am
serephim wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:21 am
DRG is arguably the strongest DPS in the game in EXP parties even without Spirit Link TP return.
That's kind of why I was suggesting we nerf something else about DRG and put Spirit Link back in the game because Spirit Link was actually fun.
I totally agree. That does sound like a lot of fun. Sekkanoki is also really fun for SAM too, but I doubt we will ever get that and it was a 2007 ability. :(
Yea I think Sekkanoki + a small SAM nerf to balance it out would be really cool... more gameplay options always = more fun.
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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by isgrid » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:11 pm

I don't think Caelic is saying "give us link back". He's asking to shift or rebalance some of the power the wyvern has, in all likelihood reduce it, and then compensate us with Link so we can continue having one semi engaging WS combo outside of penta spam. The net result isn't a more powerful DRG, its a DRG that gets to enjoy SOME variation in gameplay that many other jobs of the era already had built in.

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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by Bikini » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:14 am

Actually I think what Caelic is trying to say is that he knowingly leveled DRG utilizing an out of era mechanic and would like his levels reduced to compensate. :)
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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by Rori » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:39 pm

Do you mean spirit surge? I'm not even seeing anything that says spirit link should return TP to the dragoon to begin with.

Also, it looks like one of the things causing Dragoon to be super mode right now is it has 2014 changes to the Wyvern, allowing it to level up and grant increased atk and job haste to the Dragoon that it shouldn't be receiving.
Even leveling up is a 2008 change that wyverns shouldn't have.

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Re: The recent Spirit Link nerf feels like shit

Post by Bikini » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:23 pm

https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Spirit_Link
Last thing in the list. DRGs could literally SC with themselves. The cooldown timer was also modern.
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